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  • Your theory that FGGG Foxy is William's springsuit doesn't work. 

    There is no suit on Foxy's legs for the endo to latch onto. 

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  • ...and I was wondering what the AFH would look like without horcruxes. Naturally I berated myself "Star you idiot, horcrux is in the title how the bloody hell would you make Ferret's theory model work without horcruxes?" But then I thought back to TFC Charlie who more or less was given life by tears and it'd be more apt to say she were a duplicate rather than attached to the OG Charlie's human soul which is a point hammered home in that book. So I thought 'okay so say that the Afton family's soul transfers went much smoother and there was no soul splitting what then would that mean for the family tree and the story overall?'

    Well okay lets say hypothetically we run through the AFH but instead of splitting souls the family makes robot duplicates TFC style. Charlie becomes an android through JJ and then SF except she's a whole soul so then that leaves the Puppet in need of something Charlie related; perhaps an artificial soul meant to resemble Charlie made by Will as some sort of remorse. Anyway Charlie is the hardest character to make work with this self imposed hypothetical so lets move on to easier members of the Afton family. Sammy transferred into SB completely that one's easy as pie so lets leave BB haunted by a SAVETHEM victim and Classic Bonnie be haunted by the MCI victim. Important to note; OG classics/withered and Toys should be haunted by victims of MCI and SAVETHEM i.e. whole souls so as to avoid confusion. MCI victims can still be androids only TFC style duplicates rather than horcruxes. Okay I think I'll just lay out what this hypothetical would look like to save time explaining:

    Charlie = SF (temporarily inhabited JJ)

    Sammy = SB (temporarily inhabited BB)

    William = Mangle (with AI of dead wife)

    William's wife = part of SB

    Henry = Fredbear

    Phone Guy = Robo Henry

    Michael = himself as an android (devoured by SF for a while)

    Golden Freddy = Robo Michael

    Foxy = Robo Henry (kiddie version)

    Lamar = himself

    Chica = Robo Lamar

    Bonnie = Robo Sammy

    Freddy = nameless spirit of MCI victim (was controlled in FNAF 1 by Michael and Charlie respectively)

    Yellowbear = Unstable fusion of Robo Michael and Charlie

    Puppet = AI based on Charlie.

    Baby = memories of Elizabeth

    Elizabeth = Ennard

    Scrap Baby = fusion of Baby and Elizabeth hence the duality of personality.

    TL;DR version: Essentially the hypothetical is replacing horcruxes with robo clones just to see what it would look like.

    I'll stop before this becomes too much of a ramble, just though I'd share some thoughts I had on the AFH and a possible alternate explanation using TFC...it's also kind of to assure you that despite what Ocean thought your theories are worth a think about.

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    • I think the MCI victims were the young child BB version of Michael, Henry, Lamar, Sammy, and Charlie.

      They probably had different names. In fact, those names might be the ones pictured in the tomestone picture.

      As for the Save Them victims... I'm still figuring that out.

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    • Wait didn't Charlie cause the MCI as SF though? I'm assuming that the Charlie you speak of is another entity separate from SF.

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  • I've died and yet the great Ferret lives on :P

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    • Well, you're still talking, so that's a good sign of recovery.

      I think I may have already died multiple times, and just forgot about it.

      I guess I'm here for the duration. I'll be taking more side-adventures to other projects though.

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  • I was reading through my downloaded version of the AFH version 3 and I've been chewing over the idea that the retcon where Scott alters the characters of Henry and William in terms of personality and I was wondering if it's possible for FFPS to still fit using pre-retcon depictions of Henry and William.

    1-4 Henry/Phone Guy comes off as a cowardly, conniving, bitter and egotistical dick but he's also got just reasons for being that way. William shunned him, denied him his rightful place as his successor to the Afton business despite the fact he was eminently more qualified for the role than Michael all because he fell in love with a woman of a different ethnicity. From there on I understand he essentially catered to the Shadows' whims until Nega Charlie devoured him. Old Man Consequences, if he is a manifestation of Henry it could show that during the time he spent trapped by Nega Charlie it allowed him to reflect on his mistakes and so when he got free by the time of FNAF 6 he resolved to put an end to the horror. Basically instead of being retconned you could say that Henry instead came to his senses during his punishments dealt by Nega Charlie and emerged a different man from it with a new voice, new goal and new outlook to boot.

    As for William, he seems to be the origin of the tragedy as it was his racial bigotry that spurred Henry, indoctrinated Michael and basically caused the whole blooming mess. His attempts to fix this could've been purely self interest for his work as a scientist and desiring to take back the control Henry had wrestled from him. You were even surprised when it turned out William had after being freed from Shadow Bonnie let Michael face the horror of Sister Location in true cowardly fashion. Of course, I'm not saying that William need be interpreted in a completely negative light as I do think you can still work in the fact he didn't kill anyone (minus Nega Sammy and Charlie) and that perhaps after sacrificing a part of his soul to save his wife out of love it drained any empathy out of him making him even worse. Which effectively means that William could do all the things said in the AFH and still end up neatly coinciding with what we see in Scraptrap. I don't know your thoughts on who we are in UCN but either way you go on that front I definitely feel that you could actually smoothly connect your portrayal of 1-4 William and Henry with SL-5 William and Henry.

    Basically, Henry sees the light after he's released and Afton while not being nearly as bad as his novel counterpart is still a fractured and hateful character. This is just a suggestion of course.

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    • Argh, I didn't see this post at all. I think I'm losing track of messages.

      I'm still confused by Old Man Consequences a bit. It seems like he must be Henry in FNAF World, and yet if he's Henry in UCN, then WE can't be Henry. And if William is the one screaming, then Old Man Consequences would be.. Michael?

      I'm defintiely missing something.

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    • Don't worry about it man, you're hard at work making good stuff so I don't mind waiting. This was just a neat little fix I thought up where you wouldn't have to get messy with Henry and William's roles and instead have consistent character outlines for the 2 of them throughout FNAF 1-6. Of course my own thinking on the AFH has moved on quite a bit so this thread may be a little dated but I'm still incredibly grateful you gave it the time of day.

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  • My comment on CC = Michael was not aimed at you solely it was merely a commentary on the fanbase as a whole. I don't want there to be any misunderstandings between us.

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    • I know.. I just wanted to make sure I clarified some of the reasons why I did what I did. Since I think there's someone there other than you who has a negative opinion of me.

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    • That's their loss, honestly I find it much easier to love something than to hate it. I guess hate just lasts longer hence why people always think hate is easier.

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  • You may need to change the middle word for a third time i.e. Rose ate, Rose saved and now it's Rose...nah I don't wanna spoil just in case but yeah just a heads up.

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    • Here's the finished video:

      "It's Not Over!" https://youtu.be/UqFtHzfoqUU

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    • Yep saw it

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  • by the name of BlackFootedFerret.

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    • Response to first post:

      Don't worry about it man, I know the feeling.

      I'm not sure about that one.

      Why would Henry not refer to William as grandfather then in FNAF 6 instead going for 'old friend' which strongly implies no family connection at all. I've got my own idea of what the Shadow Animatronics are and while I can definitely agree that William invented the technology capable of infusing souls into metal which you and I can agree on is the core foundation of the entire series that's about it.

      Scott said the retcon was something that worked seamlessly to the point nobody found it and he also made that post before FNAF 6 was even finished in development which all but confirms the retcon existed prior to that game. Henry has always been the good guy though he possibly has darker secrets waiting to be revealed in the novel universe at least. I do see however looking through the lens of your theories how it would be the logical next step for you but alas therein lies the rub.

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      Also keep in mind Scott Cawthon himself is credited as author of TFF so besides the occasional typo (or maybe not in your case as you did say that FF was FFP) all of TFF is canon.

      Isn't there, sprite designs seem to change even within the same game. It could easily be a parallel of William's weight loss in the games e.g. pink and fat at the start, purple and slightly fat in FNAF 4, thin and purple in all other instances from then on.

      ...nope.

      It makes very little sense for Scott to change literally the entire concept for the main antagonist in the final entry of the story.

      Don't forget TCTTC Purple Guy who is a lighter shade of purple and addressed as a Purple Guy. Miketrap is dead as a dodo I'll give you that one. Nope, Scott congratulated MatPat on his point about William not literally being purple while Michael is literally purple in his Reddit comment.

      Barring the name I agree that 'pink' guy plays an important role. As I said, sprite changes.

      I could accept the Shadow Animatronics being extensions of William in some vein after the details of FNAF 6's Insanity Ending but not the whole '3 Purple Guy thingy.' I can assure you there are other avenues.

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    • But differences aside thank you for clearing up your take on the retcon, looking forward to the AFH now that's cleared up. One other thing though, Lamar's name is just a place holder for the dark-skinned Afton family member in question right because seriously the only reason your theory gets memed to death is because you chose the most unimportant minor character in the novels so clarifying that the name is a placeholder would definitely take the edge off.

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    • I guess we could all use a do-over.

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    • Exactly, a fresh start for us all.

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