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  • I've died and yet the great Ferret lives on :P

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  • I was reading through my downloaded version of the AFH version 3 and I've been chewing over the idea that the retcon where Scott alters the characters of Henry and William in terms of personality and I was wondering if it's possible for FFPS to still fit using pre-retcon depictions of Henry and William.

    1-4 Henry/Phone Guy comes off as a cowardly, conniving, bitter and egotistical dick but he's also got just reasons for being that way. William shunned him, denied him his rightful place as his successor to the Afton business despite the fact he was eminently more qualified for the role than Michael all because he fell in love with a woman of a different ethnicity. From there on I understand he essentially catered to the Shadows' whims until Nega Charlie devoured him. Old Man Consequences, if he is a manifestation of Henry it could show that during the time he spent trapped by Nega Charlie it allowed him to reflect on his mistakes and so when he got free by the time of FNAF 6 he resolved to put an end to the horror. Basically instead of being retconned you could say that Henry instead came to his senses during his punishments dealt by Nega Charlie and emerged a different man from it with a new voice, new goal and new outlook to boot.

    As for William, he seems to be the origin of the tragedy as it was his racial bigotry that spurred Henry, indoctrinated Michael and basically caused the whole blooming mess. His attempts to fix this could've been purely self interest for his work as a scientist and desiring to take back the control Henry had wrestled from him. You were even surprised when it turned out William had after being freed from Shadow Bonnie let Michael face the horror of Sister Location in true cowardly fashion. Of course, I'm not saying that William need be interpreted in a completely negative light as I do think you can still work in the fact he didn't kill anyone (minus Nega Sammy and Charlie) and that perhaps after sacrificing a part of his soul to save his wife out of love it drained any empathy out of him making him even worse. Which effectively means that William could do all the things said in the AFH and still end up neatly coinciding with what we see in Scraptrap. I don't know your thoughts on who we are in UCN but either way you go on that front I definitely feel that you could actually smoothly connect your portrayal of 1-4 William and Henry with SL-5 William and Henry.

    Basically, Henry sees the light after he's released and Afton while not being nearly as bad as his novel counterpart is still a fractured and hateful character. This is just a suggestion of course.

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  • My comment on CC = Michael was not aimed at you solely it was merely a commentary on the fanbase as a whole. I don't want there to be any misunderstandings between us.

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    • I know.. I just wanted to make sure I clarified some of the reasons why I did what I did. Since I think there's someone there other than you who has a negative opinion of me.

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    • That's their loss, honestly I find it much easier to love something than to hate it. I guess hate just lasts longer hence why people always think hate is easier.

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  • You may need to change the middle word for a third time i.e. Rose ate, Rose saved and now it's Rose...nah I don't wanna spoil just in case but yeah just a heads up.

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    • Here's the finished video:

      "It's Not Over!" https://youtu.be/UqFtHzfoqUU

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    • Yep saw it

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  • by the name of BlackFootedFerret.

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    • Response to first post:

      Don't worry about it man, I know the feeling.

      I'm not sure about that one.

      Why would Henry not refer to William as grandfather then in FNAF 6 instead going for 'old friend' which strongly implies no family connection at all. I've got my own idea of what the Shadow Animatronics are and while I can definitely agree that William invented the technology capable of infusing souls into metal which you and I can agree on is the core foundation of the entire series that's about it.

      Scott said the retcon was something that worked seamlessly to the point nobody found it and he also made that post before FNAF 6 was even finished in development which all but confirms the retcon existed prior to that game. Henry has always been the good guy though he possibly has darker secrets waiting to be revealed in the novel universe at least. I do see however looking through the lens of your theories how it would be the logical next step for you but alas therein lies the rub.

      Response to second post:

      Also keep in mind Scott Cawthon himself is credited as author of TFF so besides the occasional typo (or maybe not in your case as you did say that FF was FFP) all of TFF is canon.

      Isn't there, sprite designs seem to change even within the same game. It could easily be a parallel of William's weight loss in the games e.g. pink and fat at the start, purple and slightly fat in FNAF 4, thin and purple in all other instances from then on.

      ...nope.

      It makes very little sense for Scott to change literally the entire concept for the main antagonist in the final entry of the story.

      Don't forget TCTTC Purple Guy who is a lighter shade of purple and addressed as a Purple Guy. Miketrap is dead as a dodo I'll give you that one. Nope, Scott congratulated MatPat on his point about William not literally being purple while Michael is literally purple in his Reddit comment.

      Barring the name I agree that 'pink' guy plays an important role. As I said, sprite changes.

      I could accept the Shadow Animatronics being extensions of William in some vein after the details of FNAF 6's Insanity Ending but not the whole '3 Purple Guy thingy.' I can assure you there are other avenues.

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    • But differences aside thank you for clearing up your take on the retcon, looking forward to the AFH now that's cleared up. One other thing though, Lamar's name is just a place holder for the dark-skinned Afton family member in question right because seriously the only reason your theory gets memed to death is because you chose the most unimportant minor character in the novels so clarifying that the name is a placeholder would definitely take the edge off.

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    • I guess we could all use a do-over.

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    • Exactly, a fresh start for us all.

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  • ...CONGRATS ON COMPLETING THE SU FOLLOW UP! It was actually super captivating and definitely made the long wait worth it. You know what, I'm so pleasantly refreshed after that video I might actually give Lamar Afton another shot...I uh make no promises but I feel your ideas on all these beloved stories deserve to be heard at the very least.

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    • Thanks. I'm very glad I could get my master Steven Universe theory out of my head and into a form where others could understand it too.

      I tend to focus like a laser on one item at a time, and while I'm doing it it's hard to multitask. Now that I've finished that theory though, I can concentrate on Horcruxes and Lamar without my focus being divided.

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    • Ah yes, with any luck episode 3 can hopefully bring the 'horcrux' and 'Lamar' theories into a more agreeable light.

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  • I have reason to believe that Nightmare is in fact responsible for the phantoms as well as the system malfunctions in fnaf 3. In fact she herself appears in the form of Shadow Freddy. Remember that there is a lamp from Sister Location in Fnaf 3 right behind the window in the office. In the twisted ones those very same lights are used to emit a strange frequency that effects how people view the twisted/nightmare animatronics based on the predisposition of the person looking at them. We hear that very frequency in fnaf 4, where we hear the garbled and reversed version of the fnaf 1 night 1 phone call. In fnaf 3 that very sound is actually the sound cue we hear when either springtrap gets close to the office or when a phantom is present.

    It appears that Shadow freddy might be helping Micheal. I think this is the case because 1 she doesnt try to kill him right off the bat, and judging by the ennard like wires present all over the building she is controlling all of the artifacts, including the frequency lamp(s). The burnt look is her telling you to burn the building and destroy Springtrap, and finally free her friends. This is why she tries to appear as un-menacing as possible in her current form. This is also why Springtrap cant simply exit the building like Micheal does, because she won't let him.

    Shadow Freddy and the puppet are reunited into one entity after fnaf 3, which is why the puppets mask sinks slower than the other children, she isnt dead yet, but she is whole again. And this is where candy cadets stories, specifically the woman and the 5 trapped children comes into play. In the story the woman melts the 5 keys into 1 to open all the doors, but she ends up dooming all 5 children, It was Shadow Freddy that starts the fire in fnaf 3, she is unable to pass on because the fire failed to destroy springtrap, but it seems that the 5 children and sammy were freed. I can guess that Sammy is free due to Springtraps sudden change in appearance and ability to speak in Fnaf 6, Sammy is no longer there to keep William imprisoned.

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    • I need to read the Twisted Ones again, I didn't identify that the FNAF 3/Sister Location lights appeared in the book.

      The sounds make a little more sense now. I hadn't read into them that deeply before. I'm still trying to figure out why Henry would risk the FNAF 6 protagonist with doing the sound stimuli checks in the first place.

      Shadow Freddy.. helping Michael? Isn't she the one that bit him? Doesn't "Golden Freddy" jumping up in front of Michael's face make for the most horrifying sight out all, because there's part of HIM in that thing?

      There are still a few things I don't quite understand about the phantoms. Why is Foxy missing his hook? If this are halucinations of things Michael expects to see, you'd think the hook would still be there. Although it does support that Michael has seen each of the animatronics the phantoms are based on before.

      Isn't Shadow Freddy basically TRAPPED in Freddy's? She and the others are in the metal cable network, and that's an immobile thing attached to the building. Setting a fire that would surely kill her, or parts of her at least, seems counter-productive.

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    • Even if New Springtrap contains only William, it still doesn't explain why New Springtrap has such a radically different design now.

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