I was reading through my downloaded version of the AFH version 3 and I've been chewing over the idea that the retcon where Scott alters the characters of Henry and William in terms of personality and I was wondering if it's possible for FFPS to still fit using pre-retcon depictions of Henry and William.
1-4 Henry/Phone Guy comes off as a cowardly, conniving, bitter and egotistical dick but he's also got just reasons for being that way. William shunned him, denied him his rightful place as his successor to the Afton business despite the fact he was eminently more qualified for the role than Michael all because he fell in love with a woman of a different ethnicity. From there on I understand he essentially catered to the Shadows' whims until Nega Charlie devoured him. Old Man Consequences, if he is a manifestation of Henry it could show that during the time he spent trapped by Nega Charlie it allowed him to reflect on his mistakes and so when he got free by the time of FNAF 6 he resolved to put an end to the horror. Basically instead of being retconned you could say that Henry instead came to his senses during his punishments dealt by Nega Charlie and emerged a different man from it with a new voice, new goal and new outlook to boot.
As for William, he seems to be the origin of the tragedy as it was his racial bigotry that spurred Henry, indoctrinated Michael and basically caused the whole blooming mess. His attempts to fix this could've been purely self interest for his work as a scientist and desiring to take back the control Henry had wrestled from him. You were even surprised when it turned out William had after being freed from Shadow Bonnie let Michael face the horror of Sister Location in true cowardly fashion. Of course, I'm not saying that William need be interpreted in a completely negative light as I do think you can still work in the fact he didn't kill anyone (minus Nega Sammy and Charlie) and that perhaps after sacrificing a part of his soul to save his wife out of love it drained any empathy out of him making him even worse. Which effectively means that William could do all the things said in the AFH and still end up neatly coinciding with what we see in Scraptrap. I don't know your thoughts on who we are in UCN but either way you go on that front I definitely feel that you could actually smoothly connect your portrayal of 1-4 William and Henry with SL-5 William and Henry.
Basically, Henry sees the light after he's released and Afton while not being nearly as bad as his novel counterpart is still a fractured and hateful character. This is just a suggestion of course.
We've seen part of the story. But I doubt we've seen all of it yet.
Until I get an explaination for why Pink Diamond looks like a monsterous Titan in Gemcation, to why the show made such a huge point about Pink being small and Off-Color, I don't think we know the whole story yet.
True but at this point the simple fact of the matter is that old title got to go. Look at the bright side though, the 2 major players in your theory just became 1 so hey your job is now a hella lot easier.
It's never quite as simple as people want to think with these theories:
Hello Everyone, this is BlackfootFerret.
If you’ve a Steven Universe fan, you’ve probably heard about the two new episodes: “Can’t Go Back” and “A Single Pale Rose”. And that they’ve caused a huge controversy.
Although most SU theory channels have already revealed it, the MASSIVE SPOILER warning is in full effect. This is a Pacific Rim Kaiju class spoiler, the kind that says “Hello Robot, I’m going to eat your Gawking Face!’ What happened was so big and transformative to the series that the official Steven Universe twitter account publish public video links so anyone could immediately watch them for free.
I’ve included links to this Twitter post in the text box below. So if you haven’t already seen Can’t Go Back and A Single Pale Rose, stop this video and watch them before someone spoils the surprise for you.
So with the spoiler warning done, it’s time to deal with the bombshell.
In “Can’t Go Back”, Steven finds Lapis on the Moon, and discovers her using an observation orb to spy on the Crystal Gems who she wants to return to, but is afraid to join in case the Diamonds return. After a new song and some heartwarming catching up, Steven has a sudden dream of Blue Diamond talking to Pink, and then a shadow of Pearl creeping up behind Pink with Rose’s sword in a menacing manner.
In “A Single Pale Rose”, Steven asks Pearl about this dream, only to find something prevents her from talking about it. Instead.. Pearl sends Steven insider her gem to find her cell phone, talking to several different versions of her in the process, until he reaches the memory of the day Rose supposedly shattered Pink.
Only to find that not only didn’t Rose shatter Pink.. but Rose actually WAS Pink Diamond. That Pink, who Steven has always been taught was the enemy, was actually his mother. That one of the Diamonds is part of his own fusion, explaining his amazing powers!
This story is of special importance to me. Because 15 months ago I made a video called “Rose Quartz Ate Pink Diamond”, a theory with a twist ending where Pink actually gifted her powers to Rose to found the Crystal Gems. I clarified and expanded this idea even more in the Followup two months ago. And a week ago in my leak reaction “Don’t Give Up!”, where I argued that spoilers or not, there was still a lot left to discover in the show.
And now, over a year after the original theory, some, but not all, of the points I made long ago turned out to be true.
Steven does have the power of Pink Diamond. Pink Diamond supported the Crystal Gems. Many theorists have claimed Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond over the years, and now what once seemed like a crazy theory is finally getting its time in the sun. And I did a lot of groundwork to show why this was a viable possibility.
I should be happy. I should be over the Moon! But it feels hollow.. Because with this news it seems like the fandom is having a second crisis in so many weeks.
Many theorists reacted to the reveal with horror. For those who followed the show for years, theory confirmations are much more often a time for broken dreams than celebration. Only more so when a radical, seemingly improbable theory is confirmed. Shock and disbelief ruled the day.
Worse still, it began to turn into despair and anger. People lashed out at Pink, calling her a horrible character, worse even than the other Diamonds and their campaign to destroy all organic life. And a gathering of Youtube SU theorists held shortly after the reveal seemed to agree that Steven being Pink was a terrible creative decision that seemed to go nowhere, and might even spell the doom of the show!
So, I feel the first thing I should do is calm some fears and put out some fires.
The show is in perfect health. The Crewniverse revealed in a recent tweet that Steven being Pink Diamond was one of the very first plot details they agreed on, even before production began. All the amazing stories we’ve enjoyed for years have been leading up to this point, and considering how much we’ve loved Steven Universe so far, I doubt they would insist on this plot point unless they had big plans in mind.
Just because we’re finally getting answers about Pink doesn’t mean that the show is over, there are many stories in Steven Universe. The mysterious Laps. White Diamond. The Interstellar War Pink Diamond was a refugee from according to the Cookie Cat song, hints of the gems fighting an Enemy in Space long before Earth was even colonized.
In my blog “Don’t Give Up!” I raised a ton of questions we still don’t know about the show. And the possibly that there must be a huge secret hidden in Beach City, hinted at in all the Townie episodes that might have much more in them than filler. And the chance that Onion Gang and Rocknaldo, two episodes frequently dismissed by the fandom, might be the keys to understanding this secret.
Steven Universe loves to challenge people’s assumptions, and make them see the world in different ways.
We thought Steven’s guardians were the only uncorrupted gems left on Earth. But Amethyst wasn’t protected by Rose’s shield, yet escaped corruption. If Amethyst could survive The Song, perhaps other gems did too?
We thought the only way a gem could have a child was to pass on their gem, like Rose did with Steven. Yet the very first enemies the Crystal Gems fight in Gem Glow are Centipedal’s gemless children, made from the very same light that animates the Gems.
The world of Steven is vast and weird. And we’ve only just started to explore the galaxy. It’s naive of us to think we’ve seen more than the tip of the iceberg.
There’s a reason why Einstein and Winston, revered, WEIRD scientists, can’t say enough good things about Imagination. It’s our ability to visualize how things might be different that leads our greatest breakthroughs.
It’s always dangerous to jump to conclusions, especially in a clever show like SU that deliberately writes against expectations. And those you thought were you enemies could turn out to be your greatest friends, or even family.
Many people are saying that Pink Diamond was a terrible person. And perhaps she did make her share of impulsive mistakes. But you also have to put yourself in her shoes, and think why she did what she did.
We learn a lot from the ghostly memory in “Can’t Go Back”. Pink, who wanted a colony so badly, is being chastised by Blue because now she’s changed her mind and wants to leave it.
The other Diamonds look down on Pink as if she’s a child, with Blue not even allowing Pink to speak. Blue tells Pink the colony will be completed, and all Pink has to do is smile and wave and do nothing.
But Blue is misreading something important. Blue thinks Pink hasn’t destroyed the human cities because Pink is weak and incompetent, that Pink isn’t capable of such planning.
But the Zoo shows us Pink values human life. Blue never considers that Pink hasn’t destroy the human cities because Pink doesn’t WANT TO. That Pink is starting to listen to the Crystal Gems. And rather than do nothing and allow the Earth to be destroyed, Pink DID something, and saved the Earth.
As for being incompetent, Pink may have made a breakthrough in creating gems without destroying a world! Bismuth says Rose Quartz was “another quartz soldier made right here in the dirt.” and we see Pink Diamond crush some dirt into very convincing pink gem shards. Perhaps this was the reason the Rose Kindergarten was never found? Making Rose gems only used up a little bit of soil instead of despoiling the world?
It does seem like Pink had selfish motivations for manipulating Pearl and the other gems to escape her responsibilities as a Diamond. Yet, if Pink’s motives were purely selfish, why would she end her own existence by giving her gem to Steven? This was not a spur of the moment decision, but something she had to think about for thousands of years. Rose/Pink was with many human men, but deliberate choose Greg to be Steven’s father, Steven wasn’t an accident.
And if PInk had ideas of how The Great Diamond Authority could do things better, but the other Diamonds wouldn’t listen to her, then she would have to prove her ideas worked in the field, in a manner the other Diamonds could NOT ignore.
It’s tempting to assume that Rose Quartz never actually existed after watching A Single Pale Rose. That Rose was always an alter ego of Pink. But this is one of those dangerous assumptions again, and there are still unanswered questions that hint the story could still be more complex than we know.
Titan Pink from Gemcation still looms in my mind. Even accepting that a gem can rotate their gemstone during a transformation, we still haven’t seen any gem capable of transforming their material core. Titan Pink has a traditional four-sided diamond that can’t be the result of gem rotation, and her form is like a terrifying nightmare, nothing at all like the circle-shoed elf we see in Jungle Moon and Pale Rose. Garnet’s flashback in Your Mother and Mine also describes Pink as a giant, and while that was famously inaccurate, the Gemcation scene was witnessed by Pearl, Bismuth, and two other Crystal Gems, making it much harder to dismiss.
Then there’s Steven’s ability to possess other creature, a power we now know comes from Pink Diamond. Could Pink have been warped into a Titan by the other diamonds trying to “Fix” her gem, then tried to restore herself to her original form by possessing Rose and then shattering her Frankenstein gem, the hopes she or Steven could fix it?
Roundtable Stardust commentator RedSoup had a point, when she mentioned Pink Diamond was larger than Rose Quartz, and staying permanently size-shifted down to a smaller form for thousands of years should be impossible.
Then there’s an icon similar to Rose’s shield behind the door to Pink Diamond’s ship, opposite another version of The One Gem at the top of the door. Yet this symbol is less ornate, and has a dark pink triangle at the center, instead of Rose’s blazing white sigil, almost as if one icon was the opposite of the other.
So for the moment, I’m holding out hope that we haven’t seen all of Pink Diamond’s story. And that Rose Quartz actually was a real person that Pink went on to possess.
… but I may just be delaying the inevitable.
I must accept that the beautiful headcanon I created in the Followup video, an Avengers-level epic event where Steven, Lars, Pink and the Crystal Gems win the respect of the Diamonds by helping defend Homeworld from The Ultimate Evil In The Universe, to the blazing chords of sweet metalized Undertale music!... is most likely just a colorful, ethereal flight of fancy. Doomed to blow away in the wind one day as the show takes a completely different direction.
The Crewniverse released The Anatomy of a Steven Universe fan recently. And believe me when I say I feel the Heartbreak and Existential Crisis as much as anyone.
But if nothing else, I hope sharing my imagination with you all shows that there are still directions the show can take. That even after seemingly hitting a wall with Steven being Pink Diamond, the story isn’t over. And if I can come up with Annoying Jerry from Undertale being the Ultimate Evil In The Universe, then just imagine what Rebecca and the Crewniverse can come up with.
Steven Universe isn’t over. It’s only just beginning to shine.
Thank you all for listening to my blog.
And speak of colorful Alternate Universes, you might want to check out The Rebel Gems project on Youtube. I talked to these folks on Google Hangouts, and they seem like nice people, hardcore Steven Universe fans who are making A Thing!
Personally when people tell me that Rose being Pink Diamond is forced I just give them a hard look and tell them to rewatch the entire series and pay attention this time around. I definitely felt that the RQ=PD theory always had merit from day 1 and really this episode just confirms it for me. The whole 'not being able to keep up the form change' is a completely redundant argument. Pink Diamond despite probably being the weakest diamond out of the four is still in another tier of power so when people seriously compare her to other shape shifting gems like Amethyst I want to face palm a hole straight through my face. Titan Pink could be a battle form she adopts in order to conform to her sister's demands if it is real not to mention such a form is more suited to battle and intimidating gems in general or it could just be an exaggerated depiction commonplace for many real life historical figures.
it was scott saying that your rumors were correct and saying there could be only 1 black kid in any form of media on a steam post, the photo and the post was removed. Billy or "Demon" Removed the image. and scott probably was hacked.
Well, it confirms that Rose started with a standard power level for a Quartz Soldier.
Rose being at the very center of that spiral at the beginning makes me think there was something special about her creation though.
Rose is shown dancing with primative humans. Pearl confirmed in "It's Over Isn't It" that Rose had been with MANY men before Greg. It seems gems enjoyed mingling with humans.
Pink is pictured as being HUGE early in Rose's story. And Pink's actual gem is never pictured. It seems like Rose was created after Pink's gem was altered to a standard diamond gem.
There's a lot written in the Gem Language. Decoding that is going to be a requirement before long.
Confirmation that Rose's Sword was the one used to stab Pink.
Pink is pictured as RED when she gets shattered.
Everything about Garnet's flashback is stylized.. except the ending where Rose's shield deflects an attack by three diamonds in The Corruption Song (how does it do that? Well.. it must have been diamond strong.) So when Garnet is retelling events in a legendary fashion that isn't exact, it's stylized. But when it looks real at the end that should be take literally.
Many details are certainly wrong. Rose's Sword shattering Pink. Rose approaching Pink in the middle of a battle, when it actually happened in the middle of a peaceful court.
Ah, good to know we're on the same page. I was just like "um no Garnet, Rose's sword doesn't shatter gems AWAY WITH YOUR LIES!" I'm joking I love Garnet but while we've certainly learnt a lot more (and a lot of your points as you've said have been confirmed) it's very clear this is an embellishment and not actually accurate as a retelling of past events especially considering Garnet wasn't even around during most of these events.
Trust me you're not the only one who thinks that, it's actually the general consensus of many SU fans that this version has some glaring inaccuracies that don't line up with things we know. By the way, on the subject of FNAF are FNAF SL and 6 part of the games, part of the books, their own universe or is it all neatly FNAF 1-6? I only ask because I'd like an overall picture of any separate universes and their separate stories because admittedly you've kind of lost me post Summer Paradox video and FNAF 6 really wasn't gelling with what I understood about your theories e.g. wasn't 1-4 the whole 'revenge solves nothing' but then SL was meant to be it's own universe and then 6 is really quite the slap in the face in regards to a lot of the Ferret Theory. On a more uplifting note I'm thinking of doing a Mad Science style theory down the line in your honour. Of course it will greatly differ, wouldn't want to plagiarise and...well I'm not quite brave enough to put the words Lamar and Afton together in a sentence along with other things I respectfully don't agree with.
I mean I totally don't want to come off as that guy who just tells you you're wrong (because at the end of the day your Mad Science themed theories were way ahead of their time as SL and 6 justifiably proved beyond a doubt) but it just seems...I don't know man, the fact it's called FNAF 6 kind of explains it's all a continuous narrative and there exists only one other universe and that's the one the novels take place in (okay 3 universes if you seriously want to count FNAF World) and Henry is absolutely definitely super not Phone Guy or Pink Guy (I know you defended that from the TFF but it's kind of hard to shake as we don't really need 3 Purple Guys 1 of which is the only one who is actually purple) and William is definitely the big bad mad scientist you were looking for.
Then again with all the time and effort you've put in to the AFH it would be a SUPER dick move of me to suggest any sort of reboot right now and personally I want to see that video if only because it'll be a learning experience for both parties and once it's released it'll take a load off your back and allow you to reassess the overall state of your master theory. You should definitely keep all that good stuff about the spring suits, the mad science you know the real core essence of your theory but things like Pink Guy and multiverses out of the whazoo kind of feel outdated. I don't know really, I'm just rambling a bit now so I'll stop before this gets any longer but I feel like you deserve honest feedback on your effort (and not that immature crap they sling at you on Freddit).
In your honour Ferret, because while I can no longer in good conscience agree with what The Ferret Theory ultimately evolved into I steadfastly believe the foundations you laid were way ahead of their time and your contributions to how we can understand the lore of this series are nothing to scoff at.
Sorry I'm late to reply. Things are a bit crazy here.
My current belief is that FNAF 5 and 6 follow the game universe, with one exception: The positions of Henry and William have been switched.
I believe in FNAF 1-4 William was the grandfather, and Henry was his eldest son/Phone Guy. William designed the animatronics as horcruxes to extend the lives of his family, while Henry and the evil half of his daughter than became Shadow Freddy perverted the springsuit technology into soul-stealing killing machines.
This is The Retcon Scott was talking about. In FNAF 5-6 Henry is the good guy, and William seems to be the bad guy. It's not entirely that simple.. but it's the only change the seems to make sense to me.
If we're supposed to take The Freddy Files literally and seriously.. it did say that The Aforementioned Purple Guy was the Pink Guy sprite.
But there's no possiblity that FNAF 2 Purple Guy and FNAF 2 Pink Guy are exactly the same. They're mirror opposites of each other in every way.
For them both to be the same person.. they have to be different PARTS of the same person.
So I'm going with the Henry Jekyl idea where "old friend" William was actually his opposite half.
We have confirmation that two Purple Sprites exist: William in FNAF 2 and 3, and Michael of The Order of the Blue Pants in Sister Location. We say William get stuffed, and Michael wasn't Springtrap. So both William and Michael's sprites are real.
And The Pink Guy plays a super important role in FNAF 2. This is definitely a third entity/soul shard from the other two.
For some reason, William tore himself in half. I'm still wondering why, but nothing else fits the evidence.
Why would Henry not refer to William as grandfather then in FNAF 6 instead going for 'old friend' which strongly implies no family connection at all. I've got my own idea of what the Shadow Animatronics are and while I can definitely agree that William invented the technology capable of infusing souls into metal which you and I can agree on is the core foundation of the entire series that's about it.
Scott said the retcon was something that worked seamlessly to the point nobody found it and he also made that post before FNAF 6 was even finished in development which all but confirms the retcon existed prior to that game. Henry has always been the good guy though he possibly has darker secrets waiting to be revealed in the novel universe at least. I do see however looking through the lens of your theories how it would be the logical next step for you but alas therein lies the rub.
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Also keep in mind Scott Cawthon himself is credited as author of TFF so besides the occasional typo (or maybe not in your case as you did say that FF was FFP) all of TFF is canon.
Isn't there, sprite designs seem to change even within the same game. It could easily be a parallel of William's weight loss in the games e.g. pink and fat at the start, purple and slightly fat in FNAF 4, thin and purple in all other instances from then on.
It makes very little sense for Scott to change literally the entire concept for the main antagonist in the final entry of the story.
Don't forget TCTTC Purple Guy who is a lighter shade of purple and addressed as a Purple Guy. Miketrap is dead as a dodo I'll give you that one. Nope, Scott congratulated MatPat on his point about William not literally being purple while Michael is literally purple in his Reddit comment.
Barring the name I agree that 'pink' guy plays an important role. As I said, sprite changes.
I could accept the Shadow Animatronics being extensions of William in some vein after the details of FNAF 6's Insanity Ending but not the whole '3 Purple Guy thingy.' I can assure you there are other avenues.
But differences aside thank you for clearing up your take on the retcon, looking forward to the AFH now that's cleared up. One other thing though, Lamar's name is just a place holder for the dark-skinned Afton family member in question right because seriously the only reason your theory gets memed to death is because you chose the most unimportant minor character in the novels so clarifying that the name is a placeholder would definitely take the edge off.
Whenever a story gives you an important detail like "Rose's sword can't shatter gems", you have to wonder WHY that was important enough to put in the script. And now, finally, that point has taken center stage.
The new footage shows both little Pink, AND Titan Pink sitting in her Palanquin, and makes a point of NOT showing her gem shape in both cases. Something big did happen to Pink Diamond, and that scene of her seeming horrified as Yellow and Blue loom over her gives me the creeps.
And Steven is offically leading the Crystal Gems now.
And Rose's Shield was the only thing that could stop The Corruption Song fired by three Diamond's.
Yes, I feel very good about all of this.
I'm still not sure of what all the fallout will be, and it probably still will be quite a while before the whole truth about Pink and Steven is revealed. But my theories on are on track, and I feel like a Captain who's just piloted a ship safely through a reef in a storm.
I think I even earned some respect from The Roundtable. They reworked their Discord titles, and I'm a Knightly Patron now.
By the way Ferret just to fill you in although I'm sure you've worked it out, the forum here is going to be replaced by the new 'Discuss' format so feel free to start posting or commenting over there from now on.
It's quite simple really, you still post threads but just make sure to categorize it either under Theorists Unite or General Discussion and so forth as there are no longer separate forums. There is no post limit or picture policy right now so go nuts. The guidelines are pretty straight-forward too not that I have any real concern you of all people would break them http://freddy-fazbears-pizza.wikia.com/d/g
...CONGRATS ON COMPLETING THE SU FOLLOW UP! It was actually super captivating and definitely made the long wait worth it. You know what, I'm so pleasantly refreshed after that video I might actually give Lamar Afton another shot...I uh make no promises but I feel your ideas on all these beloved stories deserve to be heard at the very least.
Thanks. I'm very glad I could get my master Steven Universe theory out of my head and into a form where others could understand it too.
I tend to focus like a laser on one item at a time, and while I'm doing it it's hard to multitask. Now that I've finished that theory though, I can concentrate on Horcruxes and Lamar without my focus being divided.
I have reason to believe that Nightmare is in fact responsible for the phantoms as well as the system malfunctions in fnaf 3. In fact she herself appears in the form of Shadow Freddy. Remember that there is a lamp from Sister Location in Fnaf 3 right behind the window in the office.
In the twisted ones those very same lights are used to emit a strange frequency that effects how people view the twisted/nightmare animatronics based on the predisposition of the person looking at them. We hear that very frequency in fnaf 4, where we hear the garbled and reversed version of the fnaf 1 night 1 phone call. In fnaf 3 that very sound is actually the sound cue we hear when either springtrap gets close to the office or when a phantom is present.
It appears that Shadow freddy might be helping Micheal. I think this is the case because 1 she doesnt try to kill him right off the bat, and judging by the ennard like wires present all over the building she is controlling all of the artifacts, including the frequency lamp(s). The burnt look is her telling you to burn the building and destroy Springtrap, and finally free her friends. This is why she tries to appear as un-menacing as possible in her current form. This is also why Springtrap cant simply exit the building like Micheal does, because she won't let him.
Shadow Freddy and the puppet are reunited into one entity after fnaf 3, which is why the puppets mask sinks slower than the other children, she isnt dead yet, but she is whole again. And this is where candy cadets stories, specifically the woman and the 5 trapped children comes into play.
In the story the woman melts the 5 keys into 1 to open all the doors, but she ends up dooming all 5 children, It was Shadow Freddy that starts the fire in fnaf 3, she is unable to pass on because the fire failed to destroy springtrap, but it seems that the 5 children and sammy were freed.
I can guess that Sammy is free due to Springtraps sudden change in appearance and ability to speak in Fnaf 6, Sammy is no longer there to keep William imprisoned.
I need to read the Twisted Ones again, I didn't identify that the FNAF 3/Sister Location lights appeared in the book.
The sounds make a little more sense now. I hadn't read into them that deeply before. I'm still trying to figure out why Henry would risk the FNAF 6 protagonist with doing the sound stimuli checks in the first place.
Shadow Freddy.. helping Michael? Isn't she the one that bit him? Doesn't "Golden Freddy" jumping up in front of Michael's face make for the most horrifying sight out all, because there's part of HIM in that thing?
There are still a few things I don't quite understand about the phantoms. Why is Foxy missing his hook? If this are halucinations of things Michael expects to see, you'd think the hook would still be there. Although it does support that Michael has seen each of the animatronics the phantoms are based on before.
Isn't Shadow Freddy basically TRAPPED in Freddy's? She and the others are in the metal cable network, and that's an immobile thing attached to the building. Setting a fire that would surely kill her, or parts of her at least, seems counter-productive.